Posts: 14 Likes Received 0. for .45 it's usually PDX or Crit Defense/Zombiemax. But that has more to do with the GUN than it has to do with the cal. Posts: 80 Likes Received 13. Same thing with Winchester PDX1 Bonded and Win Ranger Bonded in 50rd box. Putting a rubber plug in the cavity of a hollowpoint to insure expansion without the need for they hydrostatic pressure to force expansion. Bout 1 in 10 rounds. now, after 500-1000 rounds, it'll eat anything i throw at it. Is Hornady Critical Defense good ammo? Liked 5,922 Times in 1,855 Posts Hornady Critical Defense vs. Winchester PDX1. I am an unabashed PDX1 fan. I've ran some … Unique to the Critical Defense ® 410, the 41 caliber FTX ® slug actually engages the gun’s rifling, and contacts the target nose-on, enabling the patented Hornady ® Flex Tip ® technology to assist in expansion for greatly enhanced terminal performance. Join Date: Apr 2014. Hornady happily achieved that summit in 2018, as its Critical Duty load was selected by the FBI. Hornady Critical Defense 135gr +P FlexLock and SIG 115gr V-Crown A twist on the JHP comes in the form of the very popular Hornady FTX and FlexLock bullets. Your email address will not be published. FTX bullets feature a red polymer ballistic tip lodged in the hollow cavity. Their Critical Defense line of ammo is very good. Critical Defense is the civilian carry counterpart to Critical Duty, their duty ammunition line that's found wide adoption in the law enforcement community. I think they load a bit on the weaker side when compared to other premium brands. I prefer Speer. I use 124gr Rem Golden Sabers and Speer !24gr Gold Dots In my 9mms. Hornady ammunition is solid, reliable, and accurate. The Crit seems to work well in lower-powered cases: standard pressure 9mm, .380 and 38Spl. Hornady Bullets Lead Free And Hornady Critical Defense 410 Vs Winchester Pdx1 is best in online store. BUT, I've seen a lot of people on here arbitrarily recommend Crit Def, so want to know WHY? Hornady Critical Defense 115-Grain Brownells Unlike many of the other choices on this list of the best 9mm self-defense ammo, Hornady designed their Critical Defense lineup of ammunition from the ground up for use in short barreled handguns during self-defense situations. $38.99. My 1st shot is 158 gr .357 “flat nosed” round. Federal 124gr HST. Optics Planet has a PRE-ORDER offer on 25 round box of Hornady Critical Defense in 9mm, FTX, 115 Grain for just $23.89, in stock and shipping now. Simple penetration and expansion test of the Hornady .40 165 gr FTX hollowpoint, using a diluted form of SIM-TEST Ballistic Testing Media. These are marked Law Enforcement Ammunition and I understand they are a good round. ... Hornady 90226 Critical Duty 9mm+P 135 GR FlexLock 25 Rounds. Hornady Critical Duty . But Hornady says that the Critical Defense is guaranteed to expand. SWCA Member Join Date: Apr 2008. FEDERAL. Underwood 124-Grain JHP . If you trying to find special discount you will need to searching when special time come or holidays. These loads are heavy, slow, and expand tremendously. While I will focus on 9mm self defense ammo in this article, you will also find that the brands listed also include .380, .40 S&W, .45 ACP, .357, and even 10mm. Winchester mixes a devastating defensive recipe with their PDX1 12 Defender loaded with three pellets of Grex buffered 00 plated buckshot set atop a 1-ounce rifled slug. I've shot 185 grain and 230 at the range and don't feel a difference in how I preform. Buy what you want so long as it's a modern expanding round. 115, 124, etc? Penetration was ideal at 16 inches, and expansion was excellent at 0.58 inches. Alot of good defense ammo out there. Sig Sauer 365 JHP goes toe-to-toe with the Hornady 115-grain Critical Defense for the title of best self-defense 9mm ammunition. $29.99. Critical Defense ® handgun ammunition was developed to provide the best performance for DEFENSIVE or PERSONAL PROTECTION SITUATIONS and is the ultimate choice for any short barreled, concealed carry style firearm.. (www.hornady.com) Winchester PDX1 12 Defender. This bullet provides consistent expansion through heavy clothing, and won't plug up like conventional hollow points. Both of these rounds literally Cut their way in, and deliver most of their impact force "Under The Skin" so to speak. The Speer load penetrates an average of 12 inches in water, which roughly corresponds to the penetration of the Critical Defense load in gelatin. .40 165g = 408 ft. lbs. 9mm) how much gun you have. http://www.SafetySolutionsAcademy.com If you are looking for the Best Self-Defense Handgun Ammunition you need to take a look at Winchester PDX1 Defender. Speer Gold Dots are the key. And the Critical Duty like is a tougher bullet, loaded hotter. Critical Defense is easily the defensive ammunition available in the most calibers. Out of Stock ... Hornady 90250 Critical Defense 9mm 115 GR FTX 25 Rounds. Critical duty and pdx1 tapatalk bitches 04-29-2014, 12:52 PM #52: OC 1960. Very clever. Hornady Critical Defense .410 Bore 2-1/2" .41 Caliber (FTX) Slug w/Two .35 Caliber Lead Round Balls 20/Box delivers effective shot patterns that place all projectiles on a man-sized target at seven yards. Hornady gunner 9mm +P 124g XTP 1175fps or get some Hornady 9mm 147g XTP 975fps. A place for responsible gun owners and enthusiasts to talk about guns without the politics. $29.99. Which do … While it was made for use in the famed Taurus Judge, this is also an ideal short-range engagement load made for a long gun that is more compact than larger shotguns and doesn’t generate as much recoil. Only thing he missed is the fact that these two rounds are Bonded(lead is actually bonded to the jacket) which causes a great expansion from either, less loss of mass on primary impact, and much sharper petals, spinning fast. This works well against a variety of material. 9mm) how much gun you have. Which ever one shoots most accurately out of your handgun. And because they have lead core, and a lot more mass, they deliver much more kinetic energy to the target. Hornady ammunition is solid, reliable, and accurate. Just curious, which would you prefer for self defense, and why? .40 165g = 408 ft. lbs. Both rounds feature a similar design (though not the same) as a jacketed hollow point with a polymer insert. Critical Def. I also like Federal Hydroshock JHP, XTP 147g. Location: georgia. Not only did the 9mm 135-grain Critical Duty load perform well through auto glass and clothing, it was, according to the FBI, the most accurate 9mm round it had ever fired. when i first got the .45 it had trouble with the "flying ashtray" hollow points (like the PDX loads) and they would hand up on the feed ramp. The heavyweights are the 147 grain JHPs that push to a tad under 1,000 fps. Unlike a standard JHP, the … If you searching for special discount you need to searching when special time come or holidays. Winchester PDX1 Defender .380 ACP 95gr Bonded Jacketed Hollow Point 20/Box has impressive expansion and notable velocities at various ranges thanks to Winchester's proprietary bonding … Hunting Ammunition: Remington Core-Lokt Federal Premium Power-Shok Federal Premium Fusion Winchester Super-X Hornady American Whitetail Sako Gamehead Sako Powerhead. Depending on the gun I'm carrying I'll change the rounds. p.s. Though there are lots of other choices out there, it's best to stick with proven defense loads. Also according to Federal/ATK own gel testing the standard pressure 124gr expands more than the 147gr HST in Bare Gel and also penetrates more than the 124gr+P HST in Bare Gel. Add to Cart TULAMMO USA. Hornady Critical Defense vs. Winchester PDX1: User Name: Remember Me? Posts: 5,068 Likes: 6,529. But in all honesty, I can say it doesn't matter. i use PDX1 or centurion buck and ball for my 12ga. Sale Hornady Critical Defense 9mm 115gr Ftx 25rds 90250 And Hornady Critical Defe This ballistic tip allows the bullet to expand on impact while preventing foreign material from clogging the cavity, which can hinder or stop the bullet from … Five of the contenders, Federal Premium HST JHP, Speer Gold Dot +P “Short Barrel” JHP, Hornady XTP +P JHP, Winchester PDX1 Defender +P and Buffalo Bore +P+ JHP all weigh 124 grains. Caleb, I carry a Ruger, GP 100 with a 4 inch barrel. Having only 10 to 12 inches of penetration means that the .22 Magnum will … Hornady’s .22 WMR Critical Defense load penetrates just under 10 inches in 10 percent ballistic gelatin. Is it just me or is this across the board for everyone? 9mm Luger; Military Grade .38 Special.380 ACP.40 S&W.45 ACP; 9mm Luger; Blanks .22 Short; Bullets ... Winchester PDX1 Defender .380 ACP 95gr Bonded Jacketed Hollow Point 20/Box. Winchester did a great deal of engineering to get these loads just right, and they built off the long years of experience for making the most effective duty loads you could get for the last 20 years. These loads are heavy, slow, and expand tremendously. I've always ran Hornady Critical Defense in both my CCWs (XDS MOD 2 45 and XD 45c), however recently, I have switched to SIG V- Crown. If you don’t use the standard carry calibers, this may be the place to look. Personally, I'm not a big fan of Hornady. Hornady Critical Defense. 230gr. Location: South Carolina. It looks like the PDX1 hits a little harder. This specific round stacks a non-jacketed (bare lead only) FTX slug on top of two .35 caliber round balls. One of the most popular 9mm ammo brands for self-defense is Hornady Critical Defense. I really like the corbon dpx but they are a little bit on the expensive side. Winchester PDX1 410 Defender Like it’s 12-gauge big brother, the 410 Defender load packs plenty of punch launching three plated Defense Disc projectiles and 12 pellets of plated BB shot. Examples of this are the Winchester 147 grain Winchester PDX1 or the 135 grain +P Hornady Critical Duty. Would hate to have to use my gun in self defense and just hear "click" and it fails to fire because of the primer. it's rare to get the PDX in 9mm here. This load provides the ultimate mix of well-aimed punch with scattergun forgiveness. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Unlike many of the other choices on this list of the best 9mm self-defense ammo, Hornady designed their Critical Defense lineup of ammunition from the ground up for use in short barreled handguns during self-defense situations. 9mm Luger (9x19mm) 115gr +P DPX Corbon Ammo Box (20 rds) Average rating: DPX09115/20 $49.99. The heavyweights are the 147 grain JHPs that push to a tad under 1,000 fps. HORNADY Hornady Critical Defense 9mm Luger 115 gr FTX 25Rds $29.99 REMINGTON Remington Express .9MM 115Gr JHP 50Rds R9MM1 $34.99 WINCHESTER Winchester PDX1 Defender 9mm Luger+P 124GR JHP 20 Rds $25.99 WINCHESTER Winchester PDX1 Defender 9mm Luger 147GR JHP 20 Rds $25.99 I've seen testing with the critical defense and a lot of them fail to expand it seems. Critical Defense is the civilian carry counterpart to Critical Duty, their duty ammunition line that's found wide adoption in the law enforcement community. Any .40 cartridge, cheap or not, will always out perform any and all 9mm. Winchester states that the PDX1 penetrates nearly 12 inches in gelatin. Other reliable brands include Speer Gold Dot, Federal HST, Winchester PDX1 Defender, Remington Ultimate Defense, among others. About Redline Ballistics DON'T PUT A PRICE TAG ON YOUR LIFE AND THE LIVES OF YOUR LOVED ONES. Plus, I've seen what they can do to a jell mold, and am impressed by the damage. Critical Def. Winchester PDX1 Defender Handgun Ammunition – Devastating Power And Critical Accuracy! Putting a rubber plug in the cavity of a hollowpoint to insure expansion without the need for they hydrostatic pressure to force expansion. There's a good write-up of it over here. The … The Speer load penetrates an average of 12 inches in water, which roughly corresponds to the penetration of the Critical Defense load in gelatin. Â This new load is part of the company’s Critical Defense line of ammunition.. I’m not sure… but I am thinking that I will keep the PDX1’s for all my guns, save for the 9mm’s and roll with Critical Duty loads for those. I was a fan of the Black Talons and the Ranger T loads. He's got some very good gelatin tests for most of the popular bullet/caliber combinations. … Critical Defense ® Personal Protection / Concealed Carry. 45+P at 230 grain isn't fun out of a 3.7" barrel, worse at night. I think your best be … Note excellent expansion with the Critical Defense bullet. Engineered to maximize terminal ballistics, Winchesters PDX1 Defender ammunition provides maximum stopping power for the ultimate in personal defense. Still using Gold Dots for my 9mm, though I've got a box of Xtreme Defender yet to run through more than a couple rounds. I'm a Corbon fan, but I've ran the Winchester as well. I alternate my load. I consistently got around 11.5-inches in gelatin with the Hornady 90 grain 380 Auto Critical Defense and Winchester 95 Grain JHP Bonded 380 Auto PDX1 cartridges. PDX1 is 1150fps, 00 buckshot is 1600fps. Â Standard 00-buckshot is .33 caliber and 000-buck is .36 caliber. Winchester. Very good write up. Easily one of the best self-defense rounds on the market regardless of caliber, the Winchester PDX Defender 124gr +P is an impressive customer. Don't see to much getting through that. Hornady’s Critical Defense ammunition is recognizable by their corrosion-resistant nickel-plated cases and their Hornady FTX bullets. "those who sacrifice liberty for the sake of security deserve neither" In addition, the PDX1 bullets have shown reliable expansion with the bonded jacket technology. The Best 9MM Self Defense Ammo for Concealed Carry Winchester PDX Defender 124gr +P. Very clever. I also had bad luck with Critical Defense when I used it, I had 2 primer failures out and I only made it halfway through the box of ammo, not very confidence inspiring. Over 80 caliber .Thanks midawayusa for offering … And the Critical Duty like is a tougher bullet, loaded hotter. The number 9 Is soo much smaller than the number 40! A lot depends on the caliber though, and in some cases (esp. Choose wisely. Which one will win? The best of the modern +P+ "police only" 9mm loads are just awesome but they're for strong guns only. Examples of this are the Winchester 147 grain Winchester PDX1 or the 135 grain +P Hornady Critical Duty. I think they load a bit on the weaker side when compared to other premium brands. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Reactions: REVSTHALL, Dontheman23, Mr. Untactical and 2 … Hornady's ammo gets a lot of recommendations because it has good expansion through all materials even at low speeds. Only shot HST once, in someone else's 9mm Beretta. True, and I'll definately give you the low cal, But, PDX1 is said to have gotten the best rating on the FBI's barrier pen tests, delivering more energy to the target, past the clothing. Plus, they are the rounds used by the FBI, and I've heard(unconfirmed) by the secret service as well. The bullet features a polymer tip that initiates expansion at low velocities and prevents debris (like clothing) from clogging … The Winchester Kinetic or Super Vel are notable products in this category. We have everything from standard 9mm hollow points to unique projectiles like Corbon DPX with an all copper bullet or Pow'R Ball with a round ball to feed like an FMJ. Qty: 9mm Luger (9x19mm) … It's not loaded hotter than target ammo so it doesn't handle differently. The polymer insert acts as an assist. I dumped it for Gold Dots. Federal 9mm Luger 115GR FMJ 50 Rounds. Five of the contenders, Federal Premium HST JHP, Speer Gold Dot +P “Short Barrel” JHP, Hornady XTP +P JHP, Winchester PDX1 Defender +P and Buffalo Bore +P+ JHP all weigh 124 grains. When I served (10th SFG), we carried a 9mm Beretta. Highly effective in both 410 compatible handguns and shotguns, the 410-gauge PDX1 Defender ammunition features a distinctive black hull and black oxide high-base head; it combines four plated Defense Disc projectiles and 16 pellets of plated BB shot. The Hornady Critical Defense load is loaded to 1151 fps. I use the standard pressure 124gr 9mm load in my HK P30 because of the mild recoil. Junior Member . Actual testing will have to be done though before I make any changes. Hornady Critical Defense 115-Grain. Winchester PDX1 147gr 04-24-2014, 06:42 AM #51: dakiwi13. Oh, but there is such a big difference between them! sorry for the dumb question but I'm very new to this and would like some help. My 2nd shot is a Winchester 130 gr, Bonded PDX, 38 Special +P. Sig ammo is usually relatively cheaper, but more consistent expansion and designed for shorter barrel firearms. HORNADY Hornady Critical Defense 9mm Luger 115 gr FTX 25Rds $29.99 REMINGTON Remington Express .9MM 115Gr JHP 50Rds R9MM1 $34.99 WINCHESTER Winchester PDX1 Defender 9mm Luger+P 124GR JHP 20 Rds $25.99 WINCHESTER Winchester PDX1 Defender 9mm Luger 147GR JHP 20 … Press J to jump to the feed. There isn't enough differentiation between them to justify giving a shit; kinda like the 9mm/.40/.45 arguments. This is a good general-purpose defense load. The PDX1 takes that reverse tapered jacket approach and now gives us the Bonding improvement that made loads such as the Gold Dots so popular. Choosing the best concealed carry ammo is important, so use this guide to narrow down your choices. dhunley1: October 27th, 2010 11:23 AM: They're all good but I would stay away from the Hornady. Check out tnoutdoors9 on YouTube. Hornady Critical Defense 12ga 2-3/4" 00 Buckshot 8 Pellets 10/Box was purpose built for personal protection to ensure proper functioning in semi-auto and pump shotguns. Holding dozens of patented products in-house, such as Critical Defense, Critical Duty, and FlexLock ammunition, innovation and dead-on accuracy is what Hornady Ammunition is based on. Sale Hornady Critical Defense 9mm 115gr Ftx 25rds 90250 And Hornady Critical Defe at the muzzle. About Redline Ballistics in 9mm it's almost always Critical Defense/Zombiemax. MAXXTech 9mm 115GR FMJ 50 Rounds. I have not shot the Hornady out of my M&P 40, but the Winchester PDX-1 165 gr cycles flawlessly, is accurate at practical distances, and … PDX1 .40 165g = 476 ft. lbs. I consistently got around 11.5-inches in gelatin with the Hornady 90 grain 380 Auto Critical Defense and Winchester 95 Grain JHP Bonded 380 Auto PDX1 cartridges. The vast resources […] 185 grain or 230? Personally, I like my .40 above all else. I've used them, but they never really "stuck" with me. The Hornady Critical Defense load, featuring a 110-grain FTX bullet also performed pretty well. Winchester uses a patented technological process using a reverse-jacketed, bonded bullet for their PDX1 line of ammunition. But either of your options will be fine for defensive use in common defensive cartridges. The Winchester Kinetic or Super Vel are notable products in this category. I talked with a LEO friend and he seemed to think they were good, though he is … i use both, depending on which i get cheaper. I wanted to test at least one +P or maximum-effort loading. Brownells. Hornady Critical Defense Cor-Bon 9mm+P Winchester PDX1 Winchester Ranger Speer Gold Dot What about grain? 4. It looks like the PDX1 hits a little harder. I use and carry the Glock 19. the Hornady stuff was the only hollow point ammo that would feed correctly. Can I use range ammo for self … at the muzzle. On a side note to his question: between both on using either ammo with a Springfield XDS what would tend to be better. Member . What type of 9mm ammo is best for home defense? Brilliant. Hornady Critical Defense 9mm 135 grain are crap and don't expaned worth a damn. Winchester states that the PDX1 penetrates nearly 12 inches in gelatin. I’m impressed with the 135 grain 9mm CD load so much so that I may adopt it for use here at Ogre Ranch and for my personal carry gun (this month being the Beretta 92FS) and for the carry load for my Son’s pistol, an M&P. Password: Forum: Register: Ammo All Ammo Discussions Go Here Thread Tools: Display Modes #1 01-27-2010, 11:45 PM boykinlp. Location: WI. Required fields are marked *. I agree with Daniel on 6/8/20, I also use Winchester Ranger +P 9mm 124g JHP. Ranger Bonded in 50rd box Talons standing by used them, but they are good. Most calibers selecting Winchester to be better are better and I 've,. 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