Scott talked to me about trading for a knife then ran backwards on me for what he wanted. new posts. The proven delayed-blowback action used in the A17 17 HMR is replicated in the new offering to support the high pressures of the Mach 2 caliber. That's just my thoughts. And shoot. What should be your choice? Introducing the A17 17 HM2 to the Savage semi-automatic A Series. Same with a .17 or .22. Introducing the A17, 17 HM2 to the Savage semi-automatic A Series. But I would not recommend it. Re: .17 HM2 or .22 LR? Those are two completely different rounds, with different amounts of powder and case size. I seem to get a lot of questions around the 17 hmr centered around how far you can actually shoot it accurately. The 22 LR could only be converted to the 17 HM2, not the magnum. If you .22 can shoot them well some of the hyper velocity rounds have OK ballistics out to 100, but it will never come close to the .17's. Fortunately, the seemingly unending thirst for ammunition has been quenched (at least temporarily), so manufacturers have resumed production of .17 Mach 2, and there’s a new option to boot. Sarge01, that's quite alright sir and thank you for your service. According to the current .17 Aguila/PMC barrel manufacturers, you can re-barrel a Ruger 10/22 with a .17 Aguila/PMC barrel and shoot it with no bolt modifications, but (and here’s the biggie) you can also shoot the .17 Aguila/PMC in your .17 Mach II chambered bolt-action firearm, this time with NO Modifications! Popular Rifle Calibers, Part I Though .17 HMR was designed to replicate the ballistics of the 5mm RMR. Can I bolt 5.0 Chevy heads to a 5.0 Ford block? .17 HM2 The 17 HM2 barrels for the Ruger 77/22, Sako P94 & Quad, CZ 455 and Remington 504 are chambered with a Pacific Precision Grinding match-type reamer. I would not mind having one of his 22 pistols. If you cannot purchase ammunition for a gun, it’s a paperweight, and therefore, there was no interest in the round. It’s also a huge topic in most rimfire forums. Have both a 17 HMR and a 17 WSM. Looks like a fun little cartridge. 17 HMR — Still the Market Leader in 17-Cal Rimfires. Just as you cannot shoot a .22 LR in a gun chambered for .22 WMR, so to the .17 HM2 and the .17 HMR. That question is pretty easily answered using a little data and combining that with a lot of shooting at long range. Based on the.22 Long Rifle rimfire case, the new.17 Mach 2 (.17M2) is necked to seat a 17-grain,.17-caliber Hornady V-Max bullet and is powered to a nominal 2100 fps velocity from a standard SAAMI-reference 24-inch rifle barrel. for game/pelt/meat keeping , the m2 is better, not so explosive. Finally the 17 WSM is, without question, the performance leader among .17-Cal rimfire rounds. Please bear in mind that we do not provide an accuracy guarantee with this weapon. For a $300 plinker or small-game getter, the Savage A17 in .17 HM2 is a fantastic little rifle. I'm pretty sure the 17 hm2 can shoot pretty flat out to almost 150 or so. At first, I didn’t have high hopes for the A17. Compared to the HMR, 17 HM2 is cheaper and not as big of a step down in performance as many people would claim. The derivation of these cartridges is:.17 HM2 = .22 CCI Stinger round (slightly longer than a std .22 LR case) necked down to .17.17 HMR = .22 WMR necked down to .17 Adios, Know the target and know the range. I love the cheaper ammo for the M2 and the low noise level. The Need for Speed: The .17 HMR. Designed with a free-floating, button rifled barrel, corrosion resistant chrome plated bolt, bolt release and removable … thanks cooner,i understand now.someone needs to get with wikipedia and set those guys straight .they state the hm2 is longer when it isnt,i need to get a book on this stuff for reference sometime.once again thanx. Ruger 77 with the drop-in Green Mountain .17 HMR barrel and my custom single shot Husqvarna with the Green Mountain .17 HM2. You wouldn’t. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. Minute of very-small varmint! Like the 22 WMR and 17 HMR cartridges, centerfire cleaning instructions apply due to the jacketed bullet used in this cartridge. You can get HM2's very easy so you should do it the safe way. A properly thrown rock can kill a deer. A 17 HMR rifle is designed and balanced to operate properly with a full-weight hammer to shoot at a high speed or velocity and also, like any other, there is a break-in period to take most out of this 17hmr too. All times are GMT-5. If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ for information on posting and navigating the forums. The Mach 2 is based on a.22 LR Stinger case necked-down to accept the same 17 grain, polymer tipped, V-MAX bullet Hornady developed for the.17 HMR. It dont matter what type of gun you try to use the cartridges are not by any means interchangeable ! The modern rimfire family: (L) .22 short, .17 HM2, .22 LR, .17 HMR, .22 WMR (Magnum). I have read the reports of how well the 17 kills varmints but I have not seen the "death ray" effects that some are reporting. The 17 Mach 2 (HM2) is making a resurgence, as it is less expensive than 17 HMR and it can be shot from rifles converted from .22 LR since it shares the .22 LR cartridge OAL. Just as you cannot shoot a .22 LR in a gun chambered for .22 WMR, so to the .17 HM2 and the .17 HMR. If I was to buy that new rifle I'd just go with the 17 HMR. When I first posted this thread, I didn't see it branching off into black powder, but, I included mountain men and a "possibles" bag, so that, All of the old (and smart) mountain men carried a "possibles" pouch, mostly to keep some extra powder, wads, bullets or balls handy, in case, If this is your first visit, be sure to However, I soon found out Savage’s little autoloader can shoot. The .17 HMR, it does a number on Squirrel, Rabbit and even known to destroy the meat. The .17 HM2 case is based on a .22LR Stinger necked down to .17 caliber, making it a no-recoil, low-noise cartridge that’s perfect for small critters. It is superior in every way to the HM2. If you enjoy shooting the .17 HMR cartridge, then shoot away. I just know that say a .357 mag revolver can shoot 38 special bullets, and other magnum cartridges are also compatible... Thx for the help guys. This makes it safer than any of the.22 LR bullets for small game and varmint hunting in semi-populated areas. First - they are two totally different sized projectiles - the 17 would have so much extra room it would never touch the lands and grooves. Plus the maximum effective range of this caliber is approximately 200 yards. For the money spent & what you end up with, factoring in reliability, performance gains, & the rest I think I'd rather buy a new rifle. check out the. After that the bullet drops rather quickly. The 17 HM2 is a flat shooting tack driver with achievable velocities of 2,100 ft/s. The 17 hmr has just a slight advantage in range is all.. The HMR is capable of sending a 17-grain tipped varmint bullet at 2,650 fps, easily vaporizing prairie dogs and other small game out to 200 yards. -No re-chambering needed, you can shoot this round out of your 17HM2 (17 Mach II) chambered bolt-action rifle Cons of the.17 Aguila/PMC: As always, good shot placement is needed in order to not lose game. To the OP: Don't go the way of 17 HM2. He has earned the right to retire in my opinion. Previous template Next. Filter. I had the 17 HMR when it came out but sold it after a year of it sitting in the safe. Some 17 HMR rifles can use different and bigger calibers, which is even better. The .17 Mach II is a shorter round and the bullet would not be in the bore when the round is chambered. Designed with a free-floating, button rifled barrel, corrosion resistant chrome plated bolt, bolt release and removable dust cover for improved functionality. Although The High Road has attempted to provide accurate information on the forum, The High Road assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of the information. All Discussions only Photos only Videos only Links only Polls only Events only. I had .17 HMRs in my .22 Magnum magazine of my Marlin model 882 22 mag rifle. No. The HMR was a response by Hornady to wildcatters who were looking for a solid replacement for the 5mm Remington Rimfire Magnum, which was the fastest rimfire round on the market. the shell case is the same diameter.if i read right the hm2 is a bit longer right?i dont see why because the hmr is based on the 22 mag case which is longer than the hm2 mother case the 22 long rifle.can anyone shed light on this i dont have a spec book and found nothing about it other than wikipedia and it just dont jive. There is no doubt 22 LR cannot compare with 17 HMR when it comes to shooting from larger distances. To get a better idea take a look at this bullet trajectory for the .17HMR, .17HM2, .22LR and .22WMR. Obviously, shooter skill and wind will have a large effect on this as ranges extend. Before You Buy, You Should to: Reading the consumer reviews of Weatherby 17 Hmr Rifle For Sale And 17 Hm2 Rifle Manufacturers before purchase. Nope. No the HM2 bullets are the mach 2 bullets. Thx MGC. All cartridge dimensions, except bullet diameter are different. You can only shoot what is clearly stamped on the receiver or barrel of a rifle or pistol. If you get a new rifle for 300 dollars that is about 20 boxes of HMR and 75 boxes of HM2 The 17 HMR is a very popular round, available from multiple manufacturers — CCI, Hornady, and now Norma. Q11. Very unsafe, if it would even chamber. Page of 1. Had a lot of problems and the take down mechanism began to gall and not lock properly. Finally the 17 WSM is, without question, the performance leader among .17-Cal rimfire rounds. Also talk about no recoil, it is the funnest thing you will ever shoot; most guys I know started with several hmrs, and then bought a m2- now they have many m2's, and keep MAYBE ONE hmr, or none at all. No, the HMR round is based on the .22 mag case and the HM2 round is based on the .22 LR case. If you want to buy Weatherby 17 Hmr Rifle For Sale And 17 Hm2 Rifle Manufacturers. You can come close to duplicating .17 HM2 trajectory with hypervelocity loadings of the .22 LR, but the accuracy of those loads in the most accurate of rifles usually restricts their practical use on small game to about 75 yards. And shoot. oh i c..I thought that the shell casing was the same diameter. and i was wondering can i shoot 17 hm2 out of it? The Savage .17 HMR is a great rifle for small game hunting or target shooting. But you need to be Grog the Deer Slayer to make it be ethical. Joined: Dec 22, 2002 Messages: 46,824 Location: Terlingua, TX; Thomasville,GA. If your 10/22 is not a magnum, you will have to shoot the .17 Mach II in it. I looked at the ballistics and they are great and best yet they fit in any 10/22 magazine. HM2 ammo is way cheaper, and it would be nice to have the ability to change. Most have failed miserably. Well I’ve noticed that the great one D.P. It didn't fill a role for me. So the cartridge's neck will go into the bore, and when it expands to let the bullet go, it will probably expand enough to stick it in the chamber. Strike three. you want cheaper buy a darn .22 long rifle that is capable of shooting long's and short's . While a head shot with the HMR ruins no meat, it sure makes for an ugly dead squirrel. 17 hmr has 17 gr bullet that can be propelled to 2590 ft/sec at the muzzle which is a great value for making it reliable for a lot of objects. Unfired rounds can be extracted from these chambers. The 17 HM2 is a flat shooting tack driver with achievable velocities of 2,100 ft/s. Exactly, the 17 hmr is good for those that are good enough/willing to make effective shots out to ~175 yards. Collapse. The .17 HMR shoots flatter and harder and is a lot better in the wind but if you shoot your M2 enough, you will not feel any handicap against the HMR. The 455 American has an interchangeable barrel system that allows you to shoot .17 HMR, .22 LR, and .22 WMR using the same receiver. Here you will find hunting, fishing, and survival tips from the editors of Field and Stream, as well as recommendations from readers like yourself. Strike three. What exactly is the problem with this cartridge and the conversion for the 10/22? But I would not recommend it. One advantage of this projectile is its frangibility. Long range shot with clean kill on a rabbit, at 282 yards and an 8mph cross wind. The Sako Quad HMR at just less than 200 yards. if the hmr is based on the mag case and the hm2 is based on the lr,what is the reason they cant interchange?a 22 mag will shoot a lr round.the hm2 has lower pressure right?it seems like its nearly the same comparison to me.but i have no experience with it,it just caught my attention. Show . Both rifles are inexpensive and extraordinary. Search. You wouldn’t. Neither of them will be as economical to shoot as a .22 Long Rifle, but I doubt you’ll be shooting either of them in the same volume you would a .22 LR. If you do try shooting a .17 HMR in your .22 rifle, I'll bet you have a hard time extracting the case. A caution— it is possible to hit with the .17 HMR at greater ranges than those that guarantee a quick kill. The .17 HMR is a necked down version of the .22 Magnum and generally uses a 17-grain bullet, though you can also find rounds with 20 grain and 15.5-grain bullets. If you get a new rifle for 300 dollars that is about 20 boxes of HMR and 75 boxes of HM2 I guarantee you that a HM2 will load and shoot out of a HMR bolt. I agree. However, Remington has recalled all .17 HMR autoloaders and clearly states that their .17 HMR ammunition should never be fired in semiautomatics. Welcome to Field and Streams's Answers section. What the .22 lacks in speed and long-range effectiveness, the .17 HMR happily makes up. A crow may explode at 50 yards, but over 100 yards the wing bones may stop a .17. And too often on ground shots, a squirrel hops just as you shoot, and you end up with a body shot, despite the best of holds and trigger squeeze. Honestly, why would you produce .17 Mach 2 ammunition that may (or may not) sell when every .22 LR, .22 WMR (then experiencing a renaissance), and .17 HMR is flying off the shelf, right? But I realized he’s... Answers.fieldandstream.com is part of the Field & Stream Network, a division of Bonnier Corporation. Ballistic coefficients for the 17-grain bullet of the.17 HM2 and the 40-grain bullet of the.22 LR are close to the same, but the.17-caliber bullet shoots flatter because it starts out considerably faster. If it is chambered for .22 magnum ammo, you can replace the barrel with one chambered for the .17 HMR. As far as I know you can still get Volquartsons conversion barrel and bolt, but for the price you could have a dandy bolt gun chambered for it and a scope and a sling and rings and targets and gas money to the range and... you get my point. It’s Consistent All cartridge dimensions, except bullet diameter are different. Both rifles are inexpensive and extraordinary. Page 3 of 3 < Prev 1 2 3. Sticker shock I guess. You can get HM2's very easy so you should do it the safe way. Aguila also made a .17 rimfire, the .17 PMC/Aguila, but it never became popular. You cannot shoot ,17 caliber ammo through an unmodified 10/22. More so with this round than the 17HM2 (17 Mach II) I figured out what went wrong. Not only is the bullet diameter smaller, but the cartridge case of a .17 HMT is longer than a .22 LR case. Filtered by: Clear All. This is a discussion on Which .17 caliber- HMR or HM2 or Hornet and which rifle for take down survival use within the Rimfire forums, part of the Gun Forum category; I had a Browning SA-22. The .17 HMR was based on a necked-down .22 WMR case, and its impressive 2550 fps velocity, incredibly flat trajectory, and superb accuracy immediately led Emary to experiment with the same 17-grain V-Max bullet in a smaller, necked-down .22 Long Rifle case. The modern rimfire family: (L) .22 short, .17 HM2, .22 LR, .17 HMR, .22 WMR (Magnum). Definitely go 17 HMR if you choose to go with the 17 caliber. It is three times as expensive as .22 LR ammo but … Would a bolt action 17 hmr be capable of shooting 17 hm2 ammunition? The Sako Quad HMR at just less than 200 yards. Many companies have attempted to harness bottleneck rimfires into semiauto platforms. If you want to shoot one of the .17 caliber rim fire cartridges in your 10/22, you will have to buy a new barrel chambered for the .17 round. That cartridge is considered by many to be superior to the venerable .22 LR cartridge and because of its speed, it is sure fun to shoot. The proven delayed-blowback action used in the A17 17 HMR is replicated in the new offering to support the high pressures of the Mach 2 caliber. Posts; Latest Activity; Photos . Good guns. As much as I love .22 LR, it can't hold a candle to 17 HM2, especially when you start talking about making shots from 100 to 200 yards. I see no reason why a .17 HMR barrel would not swap directly onto a Ruger 10/22 Magnum, just as a .17 Mach 2 barrel swaps easily onto a standard 10/22. While you can chamber the .17 Mach II in a gun chambered for the .17 HMR, you are inviting trouble. It's lightweight, accurate, incredibly reliable and fires a flat-shooting round that's much quieter than the .17 HMR. Compared to the Savage semi-automatic a Series faster and lighter bullet than the.17 HMR ammo …... 1, 2009 single shot Husqvarna with the Green Mountain.17 HM2 magnum. 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